In September my husband and I transferred all of our remaining credit card debt to the Citi Home Rebate card. The card had no annual fee, no balance transfer fee, and a 0% intro APR for 12 months…enough time for us to pay off our card.
I faithfully made payments above and beyond the minimum due. September…October…and in November I switched over to paperless billing. Toward the end of the month I noticed that I hadn’t received a statement in my email box. Normally I would have had the paper statement by then, so I checked the due date online and made a payment. That was November 21.
I received the email statement in my inbox a few days later. I double checked online to make sure everything was hunky dory, and I went on my way. At the end of December I received notice of another statement. I let it sit in my inbox for a couple of days, because I was busy with the holidays. Two days later I received a notice that my balance had gone UP by around $100. THAT got my attention!
I logged into my Citi account and saw that I had been hit with a late fee, AND my interest rate had gone up! I looked all over the site for a customer service number and couldn’t find one. So I went into the depths of my freezer to unfreeze my credit card. Credit card in hand, I dialed the customer service number.
The man who answered the phone seemed nice enough. I sweetly explained that I had made a payment every month, and I didn’t understand why I was hit with a late fee. He explained that I had paid my bill too early in November. I (getting less sweet by the moment) explained that things got messed up when I went to paperless billing, and that I had made November’s payment specifically to avoid a late fee.
The man replied that he would do me a “courtesy” of dropping the late fee. I think my jaw dropped.
He was doing me the courtesy of dropping the late fee, even though my payment wasn’t late? I couldn’t wait to hear his answer to my next question.
Are you going to set my interest rate back to 0%?
His reply: “I’m not sure if that’s possible, ma’am.”
Me: “So, let me get this straight…I switch to paperless billing on YOUR site. I don’t receive my statement on time, so I take the preemptive measure of paying my bill to avoid a late fee. It ends up being a couple of days early, so it doesn’t count, and now I lose my interest rate, because I’m a good customer?”
The guy (stutters a bit) “Let me see what I can do.”
After much more haggling back and forth, and a lot more of the guy trying to convince me that I was wrong, he agreed to lower the interest rate. End of conversation….so I thought.
Two days later, I was blissfully taking a Sunday afternoon nap, when my husband received a phone call. You’ll never guess who it was. You guessed Citibank’s automated calling system? You’d be right.
The automated system informed my husband that we were late in making a payment and asked if he’d like to pay now, or whether he’d like to talk to a customer service representative. He pressed the number 3 for customer service. You’ll never guess what the automated machine told him next. Are you ready for this?
We’re sorry, but there are no customer service representatives available today. Please call back during regular business hours.
I woke up from my nap to the sound of my husband yelling at the phone. That’s not a pleasant way to wake up.
Monday I called Citibank again, just to make sure things were OK. This time I got a very nice woman. I explained (again) the whole story and asked her to please make sure that our account was listed as current, that our late fee was waived, and that our interest rate was set back to zero.
She pulled up our record and said she could see the account was set back to zero percent, but she wasn’t sure if she’d be able to waive the late fee.
What? Didn’t the guy I talked to a few nights before say that the late fee wouldn’t be a problem, but the interest rate might be? At this point I’m really beginning to doubt whether these people know what they are talking about.
The conversation ended with the woman assuring me that my account was current, my interest rate was 0%, and the late fee was waived. But she told me to double check my next statement just to be sure. Very reassuring. So now I’m waiting until the middle of the month to make sure everything is taken care of. Pray for me. I may need it.
To recap:
- I faithfully make payments to my credit card every month….payments that are larger than the minimum due.
- I switch to paperless billing.
- My statement is running late.
- I make my usual payment to avoid a late fee.
- The payment ends up being 5 days early, because my due date apparently moved.
- I get hit with a late fee and an increased interest rate.
- The first guy I talk to sets my account current, says waiving the late fee will be no problem, but that resetting the interest rate to zero might be a problem.
- He eventually says the interest rate is reset.
- Two days later we get an automated call, telling us our account is past due.
- I talk to a live operator the next day, who tells me that setting the interest rate back to zero isn’t a problem, but waiving the late fee might be a problem. She eventually tells me it’s all taken care of.
- But she’s not completely sure, so I need to make sure to double check my next statement.
Does this sound ridiculous to anyone besides me?
Make no mistake. Credit card companies want to suck you dry. Check your statements, check them often, and follow up quickly when you notice something is wrong. And get out of debt!
@glblguy – “They intentionally do stuff like that hoping you won’t call them or push them on it.” Well they messed with the wrong person, then. :)
Wow! Looks like I’ve struck a nerve here!
@Edward – I completely agree with you. Once this credit card is paid off, there will be no more CC borrowing. I wish I had never borrowed in the first place.
I’m sorry so many of you have gone through the same hoops I’ve had to jump through. I’m noticing lots of BofA stories here. Don’t get me started on them either. They held the loan for the manufactured home we bought way back when. I won’t do business with them either.
It’s not so much a matter of paying early, as which billing period your payment is applied.
The credit card companies shift around the number of days in their billing periods. This affects people who pay on the same day of each month.
Every time I make a payment online, I check to see which payments have been applied during this cycle. Sometimes I’ve had to wait a couple days until the new statement has been “sent”.
I made the same mistake of paying “early.” I did catch it – but it meant I had to make an extra payment in the new billing cycle that was not budgeted for. Grrr!
Check out this episode of Frontline – Secrets of the Credit Card Industry. It’s a real eye-opener.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/.....edit/view/
This kind of stuff just makes me (all of us?) crazy! I once paid my bill (capital one) online and underpaid by a few dollars as I looked at the “current balance” instead of my “statement balance”. I got penalized 17.00 for underpaying by 4.00! They waived it but told me they wouldn’t do it again so “be sure and look more closely”. I’ve learned that anytime I have to talk to a CSR – get their employee number and write down every last detail of the call. That way when you have to call back (more than likely you WILL have to call back) you have some leverage.
GRRRR!
Wow, what a story!
Once I paid our Discover card two days late accidently because when I originally paid it, I got sidetracked before clicking enter and the payment didn’t go through. They were great about refunding our late fee and all the finance charges we accrued those two days since we’ve always paid right on time. Your story makes me even more grateful that it all turned out okay and that I don’t have a Citicard :)
This has happened to us with more than one company. You almost have to check EVERY DAY to make sure they are’nt pulling some kind of scam on you!
Similar thing happened to me too when I was transitioning into paperless billing and automatic debit payments. There is usually a month transition period when you have to keep close tabs on your payments before the automatic debit kicks in. I mistakenly assumed payments would be made sooner than later.
-Raymond
I can’t believe they did that to you! I agree with Mrs. Micah, mail a letter to a big-wig and contact the Consumerist. Although I have to say that I’ve sent polite, well-written complaint letters in the past and rarely get any good response. Grrrrr!
What Pam said is very true. They move around the billing cycle dates and then payments get applied at weird times.
CapOne was doing that to me as soon as I started paying them off in earnest. i didn’t recognize it for what it was at the time, but they would have some billing cycles as long as 35 days and some as short as 20. I see it now, they were trying to catch me.
$175.17 away from freedom. Kiss my butt credit card peoples!
I would immediately ask for a manager. It sounds like a customer service problem. THat doesn’t make it any less frustrating though.
That’s how they get you. They intentionally do stuff like that hoping you won’t call them or push them on it.
This is exactly why credit cards are risky EVEN when you pay them off monthly.
They are scum, and will do anything to make a profit from you.
This is totally absurd. They penalize you for paying early?
I have to get rid of my credit cards. One of my new year resolutions. I’m so tired of dealing with them and being a slave to them.
I’m sorry that the company gave you that headache and then acted as if thy were doing you a favor by fixing it.(which may or not even be the case) *sighs* It’s just pathetic how they’re trying to suck as money from you.
Good advice on keeping on top of everything. I hope it got fixed for real this time.
I have to quote Dave Ramsey on this one:
“If you play with snakes, you will get bit.”
People wonder how credit card companies make money with their 0% interest offers.
This is an example.
GACK!!! We had a similar problem with MBNA, and I’ve never been so relieved to pay something off in my life – not only was I getting rid of a stupid interest rate, but I was also getting rid of all that *hassle* and stupid mechanised phone calling system.
I would like to add that I have a real issue with outsourced call-centres as well. I have no problem with anyone from another country, but I always seemed to speak to the people with very crackly phones and utterly inpenetrable accents. It drove me CRAZY!
I plan on leaving 2008 at *least* one card down on where I start it :-)
Good luck getting this mess-up sorted out, we’re all rooting for you!
Gah! Credit card companies want you to pay interest. They will do anything they can to get it. I’d start writing letters- to everyone you can think of that might be able to help-customer service, their boss, the CEO, the BBB. Do NOT let them get away with this crap. Keep calling & ask to talk to their supervisor, insist on it. If they say they can’t help you, ask to talk to their supervisor.
AND make sure these late fees etc aren’t showing up as a ding on your credit. Insist they resolve this with the 3 reporting agencies, and then run your credit with each to make sure.
I would be more than a little upset. The next call I would make would entail me not saying anything until I could speak to am anager or someone with the authority to change things. Then I would want an e-mail confirmation or on-line verification that the rate was at 0% and all “late” fees were waived.
If that didn’t work, I would oh so politely mention Better Business Bureau, the Consumerist, you blog, media outlets, or whatever it took. It is ridiculous to have to go through those kinds of penalties and BS when you clearly did nothing wrong. :(
When we were first married we had a HUGE credit card bill that we scrimped and saved to pay off and it was eye opening to see all the little underhanded things that the company did when they saw that we were, in fact, paying it down. I spent way more time on the phone with the company when we started paying it off than ever when I just payed the minimum each month.
So, are you finally convinced, Lynnae? Ready to come over to the “dark side” and live without those money-sucking leeches? American Express (Excess) tried the move the due date routine on me by moving it forward a couple days and still mailing the statement out at the same time. I am convinced they will try anything just to hit you with fees and rate-jack you. CUT IT UP!!!
:-O Lynnae, it’s time to pull out the big guns. I think this blog post should be turned into a letter to Citibank’s president. And I think you should e-mail a link to the Consumerist! This is just up their alley!
I don’t want to be a credit card CSR with Lynnae on the phone.
I haven’t dealt with Citi’s live people, but I can vouch for the fact that Citi’s paperless system is completely retarded.
I hope it is completely resolved for you!!
This sucks. Yes, there’s the argument that you maybe shouldn’t have borrowed the money in the first place, but firstly I imagine you haven’t invented a time machine to do anything about that, and secondly, the credit card company is still messing you about and that isn’t acceptable regardless of whether you carry a balance or not.
You summary left off the first bullet point
* Borrow money from a credit card company that you can’t afford to pay off in full
If you don’t like dealing with credit card companies, don’t borrow off them in the first place.
Yup, they want every penny they can suck from you. I’ve had similar problems with Bank of America. And they make it so frustrating to the point that you give up. But you can’t. You have to go through customer service again and again until it’s finally resolved.